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sales tax, correct? >> well, it's not quite. progressive is important to me, i don't want people to pay taxes if they have $20,000 a year worth of income. but at 30,000, i might like for people to pay $1. just $1. so they have a legitimate claim for saying, i'm part of the society, and i don't pay a lot, but i do pay something. everybody participates, and there's no game playing, it's a very efficient way to raise revenue. right now, it costs us $431 billion a year to administer the tax system we have, and the tax gap, the money we're not collecting that's theoretically owed is $400 billion a year. we could do better than that, we can think better than that. and the president needs to lay that out for us. >> even if we get more growth, we're still finding it difficult to get unemployment down. elaine cho served as george w. bush's secretary of labor. what would you do to create more jobs in america? >> i think you have to keep the tax rate low, they're a direct burden on the resources of the employer. th
sales tax, correct? >> well, it's not quite. progressive is important to me, i don't want people to pay taxes if they have $20,000 a year worth of income. but at 30,000, i might like for people to pay $1. just $1. so they have a legitimate claim for saying, i'm part of the society, and i don't pay a lot, but i do pay something. everybody participates, and there's no game playing, it's a very efficient way to raise revenue. right now, it costs us $431 billion a year to administer the tax...
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b, they pay their back taxes. and c, they pay a small penalty for having broken the law in the first place. >> but let me push you on that because if you don't provide a path to citizenship -- >> i don't think you have to say that they can become citizens. this -- that part of my four-point program's going to be a attacked voluntary sis rously by people on the republican side. but it's not amnesty. they have a path to citizenship. they do the way every other immigrant does to become an american citizen. >> what would you say to the republicans who will say, look, they should be deported? >> yes. >> they should never have a path -- >> and you think what you say to them, look what your position got us in this last election. we need to pay attention to demographics. okay? i said we need to be the party of hope and opportunity. not the party of anger and resentment. >> illegal immigration is just one problem with our current system says michael bloomberg, the mayor of new york city and one of america's most successful
b, they pay their back taxes. and c, they pay a small penalty for having broken the law in the first place. >> but let me push you on that because if you don't provide a path to citizenship -- >> i don't think you have to say that they can become citizens. this -- that part of my four-point program's going to be a attacked voluntary sis rously by people on the republican side. but it's not amnesty. they have a path to citizenship. they do the way every other immigrant does to become...
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higher estate tax rate. but it could have been worse. >> i think that the wealthy got off pretty easily here. there's a modest tax increase for the very wealthiest in this society, a very tiny percentage. i, frankly, that there are more taxes coming and they're going to bite more deeply into the middle class. >> approximately two-thirds of american will pay more taxes. the tax bite for the middle class comes from the end of payroll tax cut, which wasn't renewed in the fiscal cliff deal. but whatever happened to comprehensive tax reform? >> the irs tax code is still a nightmare. it's too complex, too costly, and too unfair. >> reporter: both sides say they're open to simplifying the tax code. more than 70,000 pages in 2012. the u.s. government gives away more than $1 trillion a year in tax breaks, but republicans say reform isn't about squeezing more money out of taxpayers. >> i think tax reform is a good idea, but now that we have resolved the revenue issue, tax reform ought to be revenue neutral, as it was
higher estate tax rate. but it could have been worse. >> i think that the wealthy got off pretty easily here. there's a modest tax increase for the very wealthiest in this society, a very tiny percentage. i, frankly, that there are more taxes coming and they're going to bite more deeply into the middle class. >> approximately two-thirds of american will pay more taxes. the tax bite for the middle class comes from the end of payroll tax cut, which wasn't renewed in the fiscal cliff...
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he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far off the table that i don't even hear them talking about tax reform anymore. the president is making a gamble here, that the public will see the republicans as irresponsible and absurd, as he called them, that you can't let the united states of america default, that's not who we are, and that the american public will be embarrassed by this fight. the republicans are making the calculation, you know what, the public is going to be on our side, because we have to get on a path of fiscal sustainability over the long term so they're going to be with us, they're going to want spending cuts. >> we've been measuring the political pressure on the speaker as it builds, it seems, to a big climax here. how much pressure is he in right now? >> huge amount of pressure. don't forget, he didn't have a great time in the fiscal cliff fight. he couldn't bring a majority of his own caucus to vote for that final proposal. this time, his own caucus has put him on notice. a, don'
he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far off the table that i don't even hear them talking about tax reform anymore. the president is making a gamble here, that the public will see the republicans as irresponsible and absurd, as he called them, that you can't let the united states of america default, that's not who we are, and that the american public will be embarrassed by this fight. the republicans are making the...
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what i said was we weren't going to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and we didn't. >> joining me now, john king, john king, welcome, welcome. help me understand what exactly the president is saying. is he saying he absolutely will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the debt ceiling? and to point out, i had ben stein on, an economist. he said, brooke, saying not negotiating is a negotiating tact tactic. >> ben is correct in that regard. what the president is saying, he's not going to repeat two years ago. he did get involved in detailed negotiations and the president, in that same news conference, said if the republicans feel they have to have some package of spending cuts to go with raising the debt ceiling, then let them put their own plan together and see if they can get the votes in congress. he's not going to help them. he said he was not going to let the republicans put a gun to the head of the american people, or he was not going to let them attach a ransom. the president used tough language today and part of what he was saying is i wo
what i said was we weren't going to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and we didn't. >> joining me now, john king, john king, welcome, welcome. help me understand what exactly the president is saying. is he saying he absolutely will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the debt ceiling? and to point out, i had ben stein on, an economist. he said, brooke, saying not negotiating is a negotiating tact tactic. >> ben is correct in that regard. what the president is saying,...